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#1 2017-06-15 00:31

Removeing non Ecchi r18 content from the Ecchi page as well as spam advertising for patreon channels

So recently it seems more and more general non r18 content is being spammed on the Ecchi r18 side which has no nudity such as this user http://ecchi.iwara.tv/users/sturn ( also spams the same video up to 4 times a day with slightly different effects). There are other users that do this as well just less frequently.

Also well as users that are now spamming Source Film maker, or Honey Select content such as http://ecchi.iwara.tv/users/4ere4nik Spamming 10 second videos to advertise their patreon pages.

There are other users who post super short videos less than 5 seconds from other peoples blogs

Can we get more enforcement or change the rules on keeping this sort of content seperated and in the appropriate section or just removing content like this?

I know other users have shown their displeasure in the comments so not sure if others would agree with this, just a thought/suggestion

2017-06-15 01:11

We do not allow such short clips to advertise patreon, they are removed and users warned upon us being made aware of them.

However, the program used in the making of any content is not restricted. We have never said only MMD content is allowed. In fact we support creators of all kinds, so long as their content does not violate any rules in place.

2017-06-15 01:17

spam short videos to get people to go to their paid accounts is so wrong but the r14 videos have you seen the stats on general side i seen some good videos on the general side that have a crappy viewers and likers but when same like on the ecchi side a large difference in stat numbers sad sad sad the good r14 videos are under viewed and alot of talent is never watched sad state of affairs. i keep my r14 on general side and my r18 on ecchi side so i do see your point. {my 25 cents} O_O

2017-06-15 01:23

Please keep in mind that ecchi does not mean nudity is required. It's just a general term that can mean anything slightly sexual.
Technically speaking, our rules say anything with bikinis should be on the ecchi side. The only reason this is not being enforced at this time is because we do not have a general side advertiser telling us to remove them. But that could change at some point.

2017-06-15 01:23

@admin I guess I meant more like the honey select videos or SFM videos that are less than 1 minute or so just to advertise themselves.

What about General non r-18 content in the Echhi section? Been seeing a large influx of non r18 content lately.

@darkninjalove I get your point, definitely a large difference in viewers. However the users who post non r18 or nude content would be able to use stuff like nicovideo or youtube as well since their videos do not contain nudity to gain even more of an audience. Also the models they use do have r18 edits, not sure if maybe the author doesn't want videos of r18 content posted. I just feel like the two should be seperated

2017-06-15 01:29

Our rule officially states a 1 minute requirement, but we also take into consideration the video content itself.
For example, a trailer made as a teaser will be deleted.

2017-06-15 04:10

I wonder if some of this might be solved once the new tagging method is in place? Provided that videos end up with proper tags and non-nude vids are given some kind of appropriate tag (like R14 or non-nude) we can just skip the ones with tags we don't want to see. Even better would be if there is a filter method tied to the tags that let us completely filter out vids with tags we don't want.

2017-06-15 04:40

Seems this issue has a nontell point. It needs efforts and moderators to deal with, i think.

2017-06-15 04:44

I think that the current rules on short advertising videos are adequate. Obviously Admin cannot monitor the site 24/7, but a quick scan of the last three days of uploads suggests that he catches most culprits within about than 24 hours. It's not obvious what can/should be done about very short videos which have no obvious advertising content. Sometimes an Uploader wants to test a new technique - and see what the audience think of it. It's not clear how to distinguish this legitimate usage of short videos from those that are just bl**dy annoying. Perhaps "no external link allowed on short videos"?
However, vgadict's comment re tagging is (in my opinion) the best solution.

2017-06-15 06:33

The general side has better paying advertisers. They decide what should go on the ecchi side. We viewers don't decide it. Their decision is that anything not acceptable at YouTube is also not acceptable at Iwara's general side. I have detected the limit of ecchiness at the general side. I initially uploaded the below videos at the general side, and later asked Admin to assess them. Admin moved them to the ecchi side, in order to not make the better paying advertisers abandon Iwara.
And here, now, the lowest limit of ecchiness, that must be uploaded only at the ecchi side, is THIS:
http://ecchi.iwara.tv/videos/lgmgofb4dcpxjql9 (14 year twincest beginning after the song)
http://ecchi.iwara.tv/videos/kwqdmca87sgzlgld (non-nude pantysniffing in park toilet)

2017-06-15 08:55

patreon seems to be a recurring issue, have you considered simply disallowing it's advertisement?
I'm fine with good content receiving donations, but the amount of sleazy bullshit, that this feature brings seems endless. this whole ordeal is edging closer to breaking the "non commercial" aspect, as people are literally using mmd to make money as their primary objective and may invoke real world laws.
is a handful of creators worth all the spam and wasted moderation time?
I'm certain if your content is good enough, people will want to inquire more about you and will find your patreon via other means, than a link spam under your video.

2017-06-16 21:24

Suppose you'd upload a video with slander or drug use, but no ecchiness at all. Shouldn't it go on the ecchi side? Isn't the ecchi side intended for any video with content that scares away wellpaying family oriented advertisers? As a sample, this one has both slander and drug use: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DOvOUodmtM&index=2&list=PLZ5Xbs4kyolTXx...
[Guthix' post about spam links is now surrounded by my links on both sides... non-commercial links though.] :) :) :) :)

2017-06-16 08:27

Agreeing to Guthix. Disallow Patreon (and related) advertisement completely from the video section.
Instead add a feature on the user profile that lets people link to their connected accounts:
- Twitter
- Pixiv
- Patreon
- etc...

2017-06-16 22:30

Guthix has a point and I agree. I have seen quite a few low low effort videos spammed just to advertise terrible quality patreons. Some have just been Honey select where they download motions, models, stages, props from other users and expect people to pay for it. I'm sure this breaks some sort of law as they don't own any Honey Select content or copyright. Same with some of MMD patreons being advertised. Is it not against the law to receive money for something you don't own the rights to? I have seen patreons shut down because of this. Not sure if the copyright holders go after the people who host and allow this stuff but I'd be careful. People are sue happy now a days

If a user spends weeks or however long to make a really nice model and mmd video then yeah they deserve they support. It just feels like patreon is being abused frequently by users who don't make their own models or motions or stages or cameras. I think patreon should be removed and like Guthix said, if there's enough interest users will find out the necessary info to be able to support others on their own.

And user http://ecchi.iwara.tv/users/4ere4nik is still spamming his 10 second videos in hopes for patreon supporters.

2017-06-16 23:15

you dont need a license to "stream" a game, streaming is a gray zone or rather people want to keep it free.

again, its the users fault, ppl who donate if someone who upload trash content can live on it.

2017-06-17 23:30

>its the users fault
instead of playing the blame game, it would be better to find solutions.
low quality restrictions, rising popularity, becoming an unwatchable mess ect...ect...

2017-06-18 03:33

>becoming an unwatchable mess
A few days ago I wrote that that I thought the current rules were adequate. But after seeing the last couple of days uploads, I've changed my my mind. The tagging system may solve the problem in the long term (obviously this depends on whether the tag "Complete crap" is permitted and who is allowed to add/modify/delete tags). But in the short term, will quality video makers continue to upload to this site if their videos sit on a page surrounded by dross?

>it would be better to find solutions.
Rule 3 doesn't appear to be adequate to deal with the problem.
Would Admin consider a "Petition to remove ..." supported by {number to be determined} signatures? I am well aware that this could be regarded as a form of censorship, restriction of free speech, violation of human rights etc. But has anyone got any better ideas?

2017-06-18 10:47
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Would Admin consider a "Petition to remove ..." supported by {number to be determined} signatures?

I don't think that would be great. At the very least, it could easily lead to legitimate videos being removed just because they are not very good, and people should still be allowed to post their not very good videos. In worse case scenarios, moralfags could start deleting loli videos and stuff like that.

2017-06-18 13:00

Any kind of voting to remove feature would go against the purpose of the website's existence.

But rather than that, we already have an idea proposed to instead include separate pages where only the most renowned authors appear. How these authors would be determined, however, is not currently being discussed.

2017-06-18 13:25

> ... we already have an idea proposed to instead ...
That is indeed a better idea. (I hadn't seen it mentioned when I wrote post above.)

2017-06-18 13:40

>How these authors would be determined...
would not revealing that information help to deter abusers? I know this may be getting close to youtube's cold shoulder treatment, but instead of fixing loopholes, it would be easier simply to not reveal any.
"you want in? make good videos. plenty of examples to go around."

2017-06-18 14:31

”separate pages where only the most renowned authors appear.”

I use to determine the quality of the uploaders by several details: how well they handle things one might consider as basics (avoiding clipping, music being unsynced etc.), how ”fancy” the videos look graphic-wise, how creative their content is, how often they post new material (to a certain point), how well they respond to nice comments, criticism and requests (once again to certain points), not privatizing stuff just for the sake of privatizing stuff, keeping the video descriptions clean but informative at the same time (with credits but without too much personal nonsense about why the video looks the way it does), and some other aspects.

I just hope that people won't get highlighted solely for having high quality videos.

2017-06-18 18:20

So this is going to be like when the front page just had those featured videos at the top for a month+ straight, but a whole separate page instead?

2017-06-18 19:12

The future tag system can be used for quality upvoting, pressing down videos lacking in quality, if these tags are used: "zero clipping"; "almost zero clipping"; "minor hair clipping only". Clicking on those tags would give constant quality viewing, hopefully?

(BTW, the longest ever video description at Iwara: http://ecchi.iwara.tv/videos/bq8m7czvkhlzw0gy ...clickable links to everything borrowed/related, translation notes, six languages full lyrics... do you hate it for it's length?)

2017-06-19 03:54

”do you hate it for it's length?”

That detail was the least important of the ones I mentioned – it can't stand by its own to judge the uploader (I guess none of them can). It's far worse when the author doesn't write anything. I fortunately don't hate anything on this site (one of the most overused words on the internet, I presume) and length itself shouldn't be a problem. However, if the length is present for the sake of telling a story about the specific video's existence, I don't bother reading it. It's mostly when uploaders put in criticism toward themselves in the description and hereby give out excuses on forehand for faulty work that I get disappointed, but not to the point that I skip the video. Exceptions exist though.

2017-06-19 04:33

Whilst I agree with goishikaigan mademou that clipping is very (excruciatingly?) annoying, don't you think that it can sometimes be forgiven if the content is sufficiently original and entertaining? Counterwize, just because a video has "almost zero clipping" doesn't stop it being dull.

>I fortunately don't hate anything on this site
Ditto. I just assume that other people have different tastes to me.

2017-06-19 08:51

With MMD, some clipping is almost impossible to avoid with certain models or motions. I appreciate when artists try to adjust limbs to avoid it, but in terms of video quality, it's way, way down on the list of things I look for, or care about.

It's a highly subjective topic, but to me, video quality tends to be strongly associated with the shaders, lighting, effects and camera motions that the artist has chosen to use. I've reached the point where I usually quit watching within a few seconds if the video doesn't feature "good" shaders, or they haven't been setup properly. Spastic camera motions are another reason for me to quit watching early. So for me, tags that talk about the quality of the shaders or quality of the camera motions would be vastly more important than tags for clipping. One of the problems is that defining what is a video with a good quality shader vs. a shitty one, or defining what is a video with a good camera motion vs. one that induces migraines is going to be subjective. It could turn out that many users disagree over what's good vs. bad, leading to useless tags.

Thus, I doubt that tags will be a complete solution to screen out everything I don't want to see. However, some things will be less subjective, and as long as those tags can help me screen out some of the videos I don't want to see, it will be a big improvement, and time saver.

2017-06-19 09:31

why don't we have a video section for 'trending'?
pretty much filters out the trash some people churn out and the most viewed/liked/commented within a certain time frame show up in that section?

i'd much rather have that and have it open the path for me to discover new artists than to stick with my current ways of only viewing videos of users I follow.

2017-06-19 12:22

for me its a magical moment to discover a new good video, thats the best moment at first sight. the "first time" than that fascination magic will slowly fade away and ultimately after seeing it like 20 times the video will become as uninteressting as any bad one. Thats why searching for new videos is the real fun, to get that fascination moment because its a human need to discover our brain gets rewarded with a good feeling for seeing something new :3 to rewatch something over and over again makes me kind of sad because it doesnt continue, no matter how good the video was there is no progress and finally i get totally bored by it.

to come back to the topic; with the actual amont of good new videos to discover there is no need for a separated category in between im bored enough to check most of the recent videos :3

2017-06-20 17:17

Tags? Seriously I cant wait

2017-06-23 08:56

Can we pls get rid of such junk???

Srsly he's also spamming the video section.
It's disgusting >.<

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