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2017-02-19 08:24

Wait Wait, before you lock this discussion it let me say this:

I'm ghey.

2017-02-19 10:41
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request for locking thread. announcements supposed to be short & clean

The announcement was short & clean. You don't have to read the discussion that followed the announcement if you don't want to.

2017-02-19 11:37

As long as it doesn't turn into personal attacks, discussion is perfectly fine.

2017-02-21 16:30

I'm gonna come to regret bringing this conversation back up, I think.

Anyways, I'm noticing, now that I've actually cared to take a closer look, that there are a number of creators who have a significant number of private videos with no one on their friends list, or just one or two individuals. I even saw one just a moment ago whose profile explicitly stated something one might consider elitist and exclusive. I'm not sure if going into details would count as personally attacking him, but suffice to say he had rather, ah, "specific criteria" for people he would allow to view his private videos. That's what prompted me to make this post.

Look, I know I've been the one trying to play Devil's advocate here and pull the communication and understanding card, but wow. Trying to use private videos as a means to force people into actually contributing is questionable at best, but I can ultimately understand and try to compromise even if I disagree. The case I'm talking about, however, doesn't fall into that category, and is pretty much rampant elitism and private-clubbing. Just... wow.

If you're using private videos and allowing only people who give feedback to access, that's probably bad, but at least I can try to talk to you. If you're openly proclaiming "only people I like and deem worthy can view my extensive list of restricted videos," right there on your profile, as in you KNOW you're being elitist and are proudly advertising it, then I have some strong words I probably shouldn't put into this post. Because I actually know how to think and compose myself before posting rather than say something I'll regret later.

2017-02-21 20:06

^ If the creator is being subtle about it (i.e. not advertising that shit on their public videos, if any) I personally have no qualms about that. Private videos are just that. Private videos. Whatever they want to do with that is their own wish. The entire situation regarding limited-access videos has been nifty this entire time.
Sure as hell I'm not going to respond to a person like that, but at least it seems like that certain individual is providing a route for desperate viewers to watch their videos without paying.
The only time this becomes an issue is when people start bringing these "secret clubs" into the eyes of the public. I don't want your elitist shit in view. Get it out of here.

2017-04-09 20:12

Am I the only one that sees a problem in not seeing private video lists? How do I know to ask for friendship, if I can't see the nice videos? Ask everyone? Hope not. In other words, private is now truly closed circles, whereas before they were not. Also, I would not so easily judge artists as to why they want private.

2017-04-09 20:46
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Am I the only one that sees a problem in not seeing private video lists?

Yes.

2017-04-10 00:30

They were always closed circles. Please don't lie to yourself. They were for circles of friends to share between each other, and circles of a person who wanted attention in the easiest way possible and the people that would give it to them.

2017-04-10 01:28

I mostly agree with what kagami said, but that's not true for 100% of cases. Probably 90%, though. I think some people make videos private for less shitty reasons, but they're exceptions more than the rule.

As for how you should know whether to request, I'd say this: do as I do and check new videos regularly. There's always a "More From User" section. That'll show privates. If it's an uploader you like, and he's got private videos, make a go of it and shoot off a request.

But for the rest of the community, this is very much a good thing because now they aren't constantly reminded of how a few uploaders try to use private videos to accumulate a following.

2017-04-11 07:06

this disscusion is still going on :0 i had just one thought about it recently, iwara cant have it both ways. this website seriously will need to decide over its identity and policy. eighter its a place free for everyone or it will turn into a place of private clubs. where the main pattern will be -->watching free promotional videos --> get aproval and access to premium content --> be proud of your membership and move on to get access to a different creator video page. Just because there is such a system most people will put their energy into creating premium content and making foolish rules. Many will avoid iwara since it will become a premium website. so eighter way you keep it completely free or you can watch how my predictions take action D;

2017-04-14 12:48

JosephMoestar wrote: "a few uploaders try to use private videos to accumulate a following".
I don't agree. The correct cause is this: "a few uploaders try to use private videos to avoid getting fined in Japanese courts".
Note that the stigma of turning into a convict feels worse than the actual fine, in the shame-based Japanese society.

Some Japanese creators do like this: 1. Produce great videos. 2. Dare to upload them without mosaic censorship, despite it's forbidden by Japanese law. 3. Only keep the most recent video public, in order to remain a minor one-time-offender in the eyes of the Japanese law.

We ought to reward them for daring to upload uncensored videos against the Japanese law. The reward we ougth to give them is to let their older 'turned-private' videos become visible in the main flow again.
Iwara's newest server is dedicated to videos uploaded the last 20 days. Then, please let all private videos older than 20 days become visible in the main flow again.
(It doesn't feel awful to mail a friend request. But it does feel awful to watch law-abiding mosaic censored videos. So non-mosaic videos ought to be rewarded as mentioned above.)

2017-04-14 19:38

I'm pretty sure I've said "Japanese law doesn't apply to Iwara and the admin has made it clear they will not reveal user information if it is requested" a few times.

On the other hand, I can't precisely fault them for playing it safe. Which is why I said not all users are trying to obtain a following. There are many who do, however.

2017-04-14 21:00

i wonder if you can upload uncensored videos without hurting japanese laws if watching videos would be only possible if you log in to your iwara account. than all videos wouldnt be public anymore but only avaible for iwara members. the other option would be to remove the need of the creators agreement, that you could watch videos as soon as you follow him. you see there are options without letting the creators have control over it, since that is what makes the secret clubs

than the "private video" notice would be just a warning that a video migh be over the top

2017-04-16 18:30

"i wonder if you can upload uncensored videos without hurting japanese laws ..."
This obviously depends on what the relevant law actually states. Under English law is is illegal to download (or even view) many of the videos on this site - Coroners and Justice Act 2009 section 62 - Possession of prohibited images of children (with definitions of 'image' and 'child' in section 65).

In fact, under this same Law, even a censored (or fully clothed) video may qualify as a prohibited image if it depicts any form of sexual activity and "the predominant impression conveyed is that the person shown is a child [under 18] despite the fact that some of the physical characteristics shown are not those of a child"

2017-04-16 20:51

that law is strange since even many 30 years old woman have child like bodies, its just such a body type being small and not having well developed pelvis or chest, in reality most woman are small, most dont reach 160 cm at all. also most woman reach allmost their mature appearance allrdy with the age of 14. many are attracted to that type of woman without being pedophile. so the english law says you may be attracted only to art feature very curved bodies, with oversized pelvis and giant boobs and oversized legs that show clearly this girl is matured as fuk like the female marvel heros D; anything else is basicly child characteristics. you have to see it like this, body features can be malformed, undeveloped or matured. since the feature "matured" means very healty and gorgous, you would guess it most body features people have are not very mature, they would be rather undeveloped or malformed. the "matured" beautiful woman of 180 cm high is just a hollywood ideal

2017-04-17 04:24

Actually, English law is even more absurd than you've suggested. For a photo (or pseudo photo) of a real person, then proof that the person is 18 years old or more, is a cast-iron defence - no matter how child-like she (or he!) appears to be. But for an image of an imaginary person, not only does the ridiculous definition I've given above apply, but the defendant cannot call an expert witness to provide the sort of argument you've put forward. The "predominant impression" as to age is determined solely by the jury.

2017-04-17 05:31

Actually, the whole loli thing is common in quite a few nations.

Here in the States, it's... muddled. There are a few examples of people being convicted for possession of lolicon images or videos that are entirely fictional, but pretty much every one I can think of also involved genuine child pornography. In my experience, the US government doesn't really care enough to take any action until you've broken the "serious" laws, but will then slap it on as salt in the wound.

Otherwise, US laws hardly care about loli/shota.

2017-04-17 20:06

or rather US law doesnt care about child like features in art intentionally because it is in conflict with their freedom of art and sexuallity attitude. People have different personalities, you are a different person in reality and in your fantasy, you can even imagine and act to be someone who isnt you, and you could think and say anything possible. When you watch a Horror movie and you identify yourself with the murder thats again just another you. Since anyone could be anything and you should have the freedom to simulate in your fantasy any personality or any desire, besicly to become that person in your mind. people should be judged only by their actions, since possible is everything the best man had the worst thoughts, had murder and raped countless people in his mind but in reality he never comit any crime, and how could such a noble man be so teribble in his mind? thats because our mind is free and people are bad

since all people are bad, they have all dirty minds. you could send all of them to prison. But we need to have faith in humanity thats why we should only send those to prison who comit actual crimes instead of punish people allrdy for their dirty fantasies

2017-04-18 04:33

>with their freedom of art and sexuality attitude
Ehhhhh, yes and no. The US is big on "freedom," but is often paradoxically prudish. The American attitudes toward sex have always been the source of jokes (especially because they're more restrictive than the attitudes toward violence, seeing violence as more kid-friendly than sex is), but at the same time, there somehow manages to be less moral guardianship on a federal level than in other countries. Of course, that story could change once we drop to state or local levels, but federalism is popular for a reason.

I mostly agree in terms of fantasies, and I think Charles Lamb put it best in his essay On the Artificial Comedy of the Last Century:

"I confess for myself that (with no great delinquencies to answer for) I am glad for a season to take an airing beyond the diocese of the strict conscience, not to live always in the precincts of the law-courts, but now and then — for a dream-whim or so — to imagine a world with no meddling restriction: to get into recesses, whither the hunter cannot follow me.

I come back to my cage and my restraint the fresher and more healthy for it. I wear my shackles more contentedly for having respired the breath of an imaginary freedom. I do not know how it is with others, but I feel the better always for the perusal of one of Congreve's — nay, why should I not add even of Wycherley's — comedies. I am the gayer at least for it; I could never connect those sports of a witty fancy in any shape with any result to be drawn from them to imitation in real life."

2017-04-18 12:36
2017-04-19 02:18

i wish we could upvote comments

2017-04-19 23:30

I think we're suffering more of a derail than reiteration of previously explained points, at this juncture. Meh, potato, tomato.

2017-05-14 08:01

一群hmp

2017-05-26 13:08

New guy here, and maybe being hated here, but really, what's the point of the private videos anyway? Seriously I hate this kind of system. No point at all in a freeview website. Seriously who invente this system, I just hope all private videos can be watched, some of them seems so good, and they don't want non-friend to watch them? What's really the point then? I f someone can explain to me, then please do so. But maybe I will keep saying the reason are mere nonsense.

2017-05-26 14:56

read the dam thread, your questions been answered[several times, in multiple opinions]

2017-05-26 16:52

Still why must they do the system? It's completely inconvenient in many ways, I just hope the admin destroy the private system. But who am I to hope such a big thing like that.

2017-05-26 18:33

>who am I
a self centered person who disregards other peoples viewpoints

2017-05-26 18:34

My dreams from above the clouds:

admin scraps the private video function completely. Users only wanting to share stuff with their ”friends” do this by providing a download link + password in a PM, sent out to all club members in one go. (If the user's got the time to produce such a well-made, exclusive video, then making a document in their computer which lists all current members, plus checking back from time to time to update it, won't be a problem. Then they just copy and paste this list into the recipients box. Easy.) ”But howz am i goin' to notice the gud videos If i cant see them in the profile page/more from/related videos/search pages?” Well, that's the whole point – now the videos actually are private, without being indirectly advertised to gain followers in a somewhat generally unappreciated way.

This will never happen. Blah.

2017-06-20 19:36
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Am I the only one that sees a problem in not seeing private video lists?

Yes.

Apologies for the trollbate. It was not intentional.

2017-06-23 14:09

Instead of fixing the 'offensive content' button, so that it hides the offencive material from users who do not want to see it, you remove private videos from public ecchi feed, so now noone will know about the release of new videos if only adding the creator to friendlist.

I went into private mode not because I wanted a "secret club for my own" but because I was told that my vids are not MMD and seem like realistic and illegal. It's true, I do not use MMD, I work in SFM. And I don't think that looks realistic.
But I did what I was told and now publishing new works has no meaning at all - now no one will notice them in the news feed and will not want to subscribe to see the video.

IF you want use this site ONLY for MMD Anime hentai videos - Say it. Stop let in the creators like me, we dont want to bring inconveniences, but we also do not want to publish our vids in nowhere.

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